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Staying True to Your Art and Growing with Integrity – feat. Rodney Brown

How do you run a business you’re passionate about that pays your bills too? Can you still stay true to your art or do you have to focus on your bottom line? That’s what my guest Rodney Brown is here to teach listeners about today! 

The Branded by Bernel Podcast is brought to you by Bernel Westbrook, lead designer and founder of Branded by Bernel, a design studio dedicated to building strong brands and Showit websites for creative entrepreneurs.

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Rodney followed his passion for storytelling into professional photography

Rodney is a professional photographer who focuses on couples and families. However, recently he has also pivoted to more editorial work, as well as working with brands and small businesses. For Rodney, photography is all about telling a story, and he follows his passion for storytelling to venture into new areas for his business.

“I kind of got addicted to being able to be a part of something that’s actively happening that I have no control over, but trying to bring a little bit of control into it to make some art out of it.” -Rodney Brown

Rodney’s focus as a photographer is to take himself out of the story and make art using other people’s experiences.

You need to have the integrity to remain true to your art

There’s a lot that goes into running your own business, but it’s important to remember why you got into it. For Rodney, storytelling makes him come alive, and he always wants to stay true to his art form of photography. That means he collaborates with his clients and represents them well instead of putting his creative vision first. 

One way to maintain integrity is to learn how to master your craft before you try to make a successful business out of it. With photography, social media gives the impression that all you need to do is buy a nice camera and get started. The more you root yourself in your passion and educate yourself, the easier it is to build a heart-centered business. 

You should never stop expanding your skillset

Rodney has always been a natural light photographer, but last year he started educating himself on shooting in a studio with artificial lights. When you feel like you have mastery over your craft, you need to expand into something new. Always keep learning and never shy away from being a newbie again. 

This mindset is the best way to avoid burnout in your business because you can always find a new passion within your art form to pursue. It will also help you stop comparing yourself to others in your field because you are spending your time focusing on your own craft instead. 

3 Actionable Steps with Rodney

  1. Practice, practice, practice. You need to be a master of your craft so that you can best serve your clients.
  2. Meet people. Don’t make your business relationships about what you can do for them and what they can do for you. Make genuine connections with people.
  3. Keep pushing forward. There will always be setbacks in business, but you can’t let them stop you from fulfilling your dreams.

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Review the Transcript:

Bernel
Hey, hi. Welcome to the Branded by Bernel podcast. I’m your host burnout. You may know me as the branding and web designer who obsesses over the details so you don’t have to. We all desire to be great at what we do. Although once we get there, no one seems to talk about the messy middle. This motivated me to set the table and invite industry peers over to share stories about living and working in the creative world. So grab the OJ and champagne, pull up a chair, join the creative community and be prepared to build a brand you fall in love with. This is the Branded by Bernel podcast.

Bernel
Oh my goodness. Today I am joined on the podcast by Rodney Brown, a Sacramento based photographer. He is incredibly passionate about capturing all things, love all things, branding, all things business, just really finding the beauty from behind the lens. I am super excited for you guys to meet him and to hear what he has in store for you. So Hi, Ronnie. Welcome to the show.

Rodney Brown
Hey there for now. Thank you so much for having me.

Bernel
Yeah. So a little bit about how we met. It’s been a while I feel like maybe four or five years now. But we had some mutual friends. And they were like, Hey, you’re both really creative people. And so it’s amazing to see how much both of our businesses have evolved in the last four or five years. Oh, yeah,

Rodney Brown
you’ve been killing it. Look at this, look at it. I mean, look, it’s how you talk and you know what to do. And this is awesome.

Bernel
How well it has been a process and you know that for those of you listening at home Fun fact, Ramiz camera lens was the very first camera I’d ever been in front of professionally. So I was like, hey, I want to create a website. I think I’m gonna do this full time, I was still working at Starbucks. And I was like, Hey, Ronnie, can I get some branding photos, and he killed it. And so I don’t know if I’ve ever told you this. But thank you for that very first photoshoot. Because you really made me look legit. Even when I didn’t feel like I was legit. I was like, Oh my goodness. He was like, hold the MacBook. And I was like, Oh my goodness.

Rodney Brown
I didn’t even know that man. Well, you know, just remember me. When you when you’re all the way up there. You’re looking down on us little people just just remember. Remember, Ronnie came through for you?

Bernel
Nah, not at all. Not at all. You have been setting the pace for business owners for a while now in the game. And so I’m super excited to see what tips you have for people more. So from the creative side, me and Ronnie had a chance to chat prior to recording this. And he made a good point. A lot of you guys listening at home are creative entrepreneurs. You are business owners, but you’re artists first. And so in this episode, we’re going to talk a little bit more about the artsy side of running a business. All right, so with that being said, I’m just gonna dive right in. Tell us a little bit about what you do and how you got into business.

Rodney Brown
Yeah, so primarily, I am a wedding couples do family, you know, I’ve been messing with maternity even photographer, you know, things surrounding love, you know. And that’s what I’ve been doing primarily for the last shoots been like five years, four or five years, something like that, you know, but lately I’ve been doing you know, a lot of a lot of personal work, editorial sort of work, but also diving into working with brands and small businesses. So that’s something that I’m really excited about. And it’s been exciting just to kind of spread my wings a little bit, to do a little something different and working with things outside of just couples and love. Even though I love working with love, you know?

Bernel
Yeah, we know, I don’t know if you guys follow Rodney, but his Instagram is swoonworthy like, every day, all these super cute people in love with each other. But I’m super duper excited that you are going to be offering your skill set to brands and small businesses. I talk a lot about how important brand photography is in presenting your brand as trustworthy and authentic. And so by having another photographer in the industry that can capture these real raw moments of what it’s like to run a business. That’s dope.

Rodney Brown
Yeah, you know, honestly, my favorite part about the whole thing is the storytelling you know, because the storytelling is the the most, you know, exciting, palpable part about you know, shooting love shooting weddings, shooting couples, but then there’s also a story to tell with the small businesses. There’s a story to tell with these, these individuals who are starting, you know, their own, you know, small endeavor, and I think that’s what I’m most attracted to. I don’t you know, I’m not personally moved so much by the big corporate kind of jobs and shoots, but working with these small companies that need to tell their story that’s really awesome me working on their brand identity, and helping them get their themselves out there, you know, because it’s important that the imagery, it can make or break a small business these days. So it’s exciting, it’s something that’s really fun.

Bernel
Definitely, definitely. So talking about storytelling, tell us a little bit about your journey and the purpose behind starting Ronnie Brown photography.

Rodney Brown
You know, I think that I always just wanted to, ever since I started first taking photography, seriously, the thing that fascinated me the most was, you know, having this whole world inside of this little, you know, you know, this little frame, you know, and being able to, you know, take that control that and make it into something, and then it’s art, you know, I thought the, you know, the thing, though, that blew me away about shooting weddings was the fact that it’s a collaboration, you know, I’m not just making this by myself, you know, I’m working together with these people. And so I kind of got addicted to being able to be a part of something that’s actively happening that I have no control over, but trying to bring a little bit of control into it to make some art out of it. And then you come out with memories, you come out with something that they can, they can hold on to, if they if they print them out, hopefully they print them out, you know, and it’s something that, you know, even though the day had nothing to do with me, I still have my stamp on it. And it feels good to be able to give that and it to be, you know, something that, you know, you know, hopefully they’re so good. The photos are so good. They forgot that I took them, you know, and it’s just, it’s just a memory, you know. And so I decided, you know, when I got involved in photography that I just wanted to be an honest storyteller, you know, I wanted to to take myself out of it as much as possible, and to leave them with something that’s honest. And so that’s what I try to do.

Bernel
Yeah, and you do a really good job of it. I see a lot in your website, and just different places where people leave awesome reviews about you this word integrity pops up a lot. So what does that mean to you, as a artist, not even as a business owner, but as an artist as a creative? What does integrity mean to you?

Rodney Brown
Oh, man, it Tiger. That’s one of my favorite words, it seems like when I think about integrity, it’s being true to yourself, but not just being true to yourself as being true to the moment is being true to whatever’s happening to being true to whoever you’re with. In photography, we can impose ourselves on image so much we can impose ourselves on the environment, we could all have different goals of what we want to come out with, you know, I could come want to come out with a with a dope killer, like Instagram photo, you know, and I could want those likes, but they just might want some honest, quiet photos, I gotta be true to them. And me being true to them is me being true to myself and my creative wanting to create sincere, honest photography. So you know, you can’t have one without the other, if you’re going to be have true integrity in this art form. To me, from my point of view, it’s all about, you know, being true to who everyone is, you know, and creating a safe space for all collaborators, so that it’s honest, whatever comes out of it, it might be different than what you expect. And that’s part of just going with the flow, you just gotta, you gotta gotta roll with it, you know, you can’t have these two high expectations, and then put your expectations on the project on the people so much where you take away from honesty. And so, you know, when I think of integrity, it’s just about being true to true to the art of the whole thing, you know,

Bernel
and really not imposing yourself on the environment. I think that whether you’re a photographer or a designer or a caterer or whatever you do in your creative business, I think that that’s something we could all take to heart and use as a self assessment. Am I imposing my expectations of the moment on my clients? And what is the motive behind why I’m creating the work? Is it for the likes? Is it for the gram? Or is it for the people? And so I think that’s the separating line between, you know, heart centered businesses and profit driven businesses.

Rodney Brown
So not the same thing they can be they can,

Bernel
because you can love what you do and also get paid. I’m a huge proponent for that. But

Rodney Brown
absolutely, you know, me too, and the thing is, you know, that’s something I tried to, you know, because while we were talking about before, I have had mentees I’ve been a mentor. I’ve spoke at different conferences. I’ve one coming up later this year. I’ll do a shameless plug later, evolve workshop. You know, one thing I try to push as much as possible, is just being true. Be honest, because people are gonna sniff that out, they gotta sniff that out. If the chemistry wasn’t there, they’re gonna sniff it out. If you weren’t in your bag, if you weren’t, like connected to your photo, if people could tell that stuff, you know, they might not be able to suss out exactly what it was, but they’ll fill it, you know?

Bernel
Yes, I love it, they can sniff it out. I’ve never heard that, but I’m gonna write it down. So tell me a little bit about I know, you spoke on this education component of your business. Okay, so you’ve mentored you spoke at conferences? How has that impacted your business and impact, I guess, the trajectory of where you want it to go in the future?

Rodney Brown
Yeah, you know, I didn’t know how passionate I was about talking about this stuff. Really. I didn’t know I didn’t realize it. I didn’t know how passionate I was about seeing people. Some clicked Oh, you know, like that, I didn’t realize it. And when I started seeing that up close, and scenes that I’m the way I’m saying something, I’m expressing it, or, you know, just the the realizations or experiences that I’ve had, other people have yet to have or couldn’t have, because they aren’t, you know, from my background, or race or anything like that, you know, and to see how something can change their view of things, or kick them into the next level where they need to be or they, you know, it doesn’t even always have to be that they are, you know, someone who is in just the beginning phases of their, their business, it could be that they have more experienced than me, you know, but you know, you say the right thing, you hear the right thing, and it’s like, boom, that’s a, that’s powerful. And that’s, that’s love to be able to give that and to be able to be there in service to people, I just feel like it is all of our responsibilities to at a certain point, when we have something to give, to give it, you know, whether people are paying for it, whether it’s for free, you know, that’s what I feel like, is our civic duty as, as artists and creatives, you know, and so, you know, speaking, teaching, some I’m incredibly passionate about, and something I hope to continue to do more and more of, as the years go on, you know, especially as this Instagram thing becomes a young man’s game, you know, I’m, I’m have to be on my old man teaching game, you know, just taking it in the back, you know?

Bernel
Yes. Oh, my goodness, I don’t even get me started on how Instagram is for the 18 year olds. But anyway, that’s a whole nother conversation. I am not even 30. And I feel oh, every time, I can’t figure out how to use one of the filters on reels. So anyway, that’s a sidebar. But yeah, I find it a little funny that you did not see this teaching thing coming. Because since I’ve met you, and one of the things that I really respect the most about you as a person is that you’re always looking for opportunities to enrich those around you, it could be something as simple as like, Oh, I’ve never heard this song before. And Ronnie will tell you the whole, like, making of the music, and all of what went into it. So teaching just seems to come very naturally to you. And I’m very glad that you found your place in that because, for me, I enjoy teaching. I mean, I enjoy talking, like, let’s be real, I love to talk. And I had to really sit with the fact that teaching isn’t about or being a good teacher isn’t about having more experience, it’s about having a different experience than those who are listening. So

Rodney Brown
that’s that’s something you know, I had to actually, it’s this weird reverse humility thing I had to take on it is that I was sitting back for a while I didn’t want to take some of these opportunities. Because, you know, when I got first approached to be an instructor, the first workshop that I did, and it was such an intimate, you know, really like close knit workshop, and it was, you know, kind of in a retreat scenario, I was, you know, insecure, I was like, I don’t my business isn’t, you know, as successful or isn’t as old as some of these other people, like, what am I doing here? You know, but, you know, one of the people who, you know, great guy, Justin Posey, who put that workshop together, he told me, man, it’s not about that, you know, you have something to give, you know, and you need to give it you know, you have a voice that people need to listen to. And you know, I don’t think that just stops with me. I think that goes for a lot of folks out there. So, you know, if you have something to teach, teach it, by all means, you know, someone needs to hear from you.

Bernel
Yeah, someone needs to hear from you because they need to hear from someone who looks like them or sounds like them or is from the same background as them or vice versa. They need to hear from you because They’ve never heard from someone of your background, or your race or your socio economic status, or whatever it may be. So yeah, I’m all about shaking it up at conferences and educational resources. Um, so that kind of leads me into my next question a little bit about your journey and how you’re teaching others what is some of the roadblocks that you encourage others to look out for?

Rodney Brown
A first one of the things people need to watch out for is, I feel like people need to recognize they need to crawl before they ball. Okay, that’s a Kanye West lyric. And it’s true,

Bernel
though. Yes, good, okay.

Rodney Brown
One thing has to come before the other, it’s one step in front of the other, you can’t expect yourself to do XYZ, before you do A, B, and C, oftentimes, people will, you know, buy a really nice camera, they’ll invest in all this gear, all this software, but then they won’t take the time out to actually learn their craft, they won’t take the time out to actually become a better artist. And it’s something that I think that is a illusion that, unfortunately, social media sets up is that oh, all you have to do is just buy this, get some pretty people and boom, you’re done, you’re successful. But it’s like, no, there’s layers to this thing. And there’s a lot that comes with experience, there’s a lot that comes with putting yourself out there and meeting people with making connections, you know, putting your hours in is what I call it, you know, if you were an electrician, before you can get become a master electrician, you got to put those hours in, you know, for your apprenticeship. And it’s the same way with photography. So I think people need to recognize that they can’t be an island to themselves, they need to either get experience on their own by putting themselves out there and, you know, taking as many jobs as possible. And then also to learn from others to, you know, mentor with other photographers, you know, second shoot with them hold their bags, even, you know, I remember I drove all the way to LA from Northern California just to hold the flash gear of one of my favorite photographers. And it was one of the best things I’ve ever done, even though it was eight hours just for a couple hours of work. And I think I made like 80 bucks, but still, you know, it was probably one of the best things I did for myself. Because when else would I be able to see someone so experienced do their thing, you know? And so yeah, people need to just slow down and learn what they’re doing first, you know, it’s so simple, but it makes such a huge difference.

Bernel
Yes, oh, my goodness, master your craft. I love that. We live in a day and age where people want things fast, quickly, they want it right now. And I hear a lot of people using the phrase that they’re patiently impatient. And I laugh because that just means you’re not patient. It means that you, you really need to keep creating. And that’s really something that growing up, I feel like my parents spent a lot of time telling me, like when I wanted things to just happen when I wanted to get good at something or I went to art school. So when I was learning to use acrylics, and wash paints and watercolors, my parents were like, keep practicing. I’m like, it doesn’t look good. They’re like, keep practicing. I’m like, but I want it to look like this will keep practicing. And that was that was their answer. They were like, if you just keep creating one day, you will bridge the gap between what you want it to look like and what you can actually do.

Rodney Brown
That’s it the gap, you know, the gap, because, you know, when you start, you know, whatever you do, you’re not gonna be good at it. There’s very few people who are savant out there who are just amazing, off the bat, you know, so don’t expect yourself to be a savant, you know, expect yourself to disappoint yourself. And that’s good. Because if you disappoint yourself, that means that you still have a ceiling that you that you that you need to reach. So people just need to get comfortable with that uncomfortable as as much as they can, you know, but then on the flip side of that, you know, I’m gonna say something that might sound contradictory, because some people say, Oh, push through, push through, push through, I say you need to listen to yourself and take breaks when you need to, to, you know, you need to give yourself some time to breathe and eat gives yourself some time to grow. You know, this is gonna sound ridiculous, but I always think about it like this and don’t laugh at me. In that the anime, Dragonball Z, right? Whenever they get beaten up the most, they come back stronger for the next fight. That’s the only way that they grow, right? So they will go to a near death beating so they can grow to the next level. And I think about it like that, you know, like, you got to keep pushing yourself, keep pushing yourself, but then you need to time to rest and grow. And you need to you know, let it take its time don’t but, you know, keep pushing yourself but don’t kill yourself. You know? Like don’t don’t don’t try to kill yourself out here trying to you know become the next hot thing. The next Today, you know, it doesn’t happen overnight. You know, you gotta you gotta let yourself grow.

Bernel
Definitely, definitely what I’m hearing here is balance. You know, that’s something that is so hard to find. But you need balance, you have to push yourself to keep going. I think we all have suffered from imposter syndrome as business owners. I mean, yeah, we all still do. I’m pretty sure Oprah suffers from impostor syndrome about something. about something, because that’s the thing, like, anytime you’re growing, you’re trying something new. And so don’t let yourself get too comfortable. I think that’s the phase of business that I’m in now is just really reminding myself that don’t get comfortable, keep pushing to be better, and push to be better for you, though, like not for other people, because better has nothing to do with the vanity metrics.

Rodney Brown
Once you get comfortable, switch it up, you got to do something else, you got to add, um, you got to you got to surprise you got to make yourself feel stupid again. Like, it’s not good to feel like you run in this thing too much. Well,

Bernel
that’s what’s gonna keep the flame burning. That was actually my next question for you. What keeps that creative flame burning? But I think that’s the answer switching it up. Yeah,

Rodney Brown
trying new things, like scare yourself, like, is never a bad thing to be a new began to feel like you don’t know what you’re doing what you’re talking about, you know, especially once you’ve learned something, once you’re like in your zone, it feels good to walk into a room and be like, I’m running this thing. I know what I’m doing. I know what I’m talking about. When people ask me about this to to do to do. No one likes me in the person in the room that doesn’t know what they’re talking. Right? doesn’t know what they’re doing. But it’s good. You know, over the last year, no, last two years, I’ve been teaching myself how to shoot in a studio setting. You know, I’ve been a natural light photographer all this time, that I was like, you know, like, I don’t know how to use strobes to the extent I would like to I don’t know how to use off camera flash, and, you know, diffusers and umbrellas and all this stuff. At the end of the day, you know, if I was going to have a conversation with a photographer who does, I would sound like an idiot, you know, and I was like, that’s exciting. Let’s see what’s happened to that, you know. And so, then you start bridging these gaps, and it just expands your skill set even more. And, you know, just speaking to what you just said, it’s important to always be switching it up, always give yourself more room to grow.

Bernel
Yeah, I love it. That speaks to the creative side of running a business. And that’s why you know, we call ourselves creative entrepreneurs and not just regular entrepreneurs. Yeah, so what was the you know, you know, it’s coming, I have to ask this question, because, you know, we talked about the success, right, but what was the biggest challenge that you had when you were starting out?

Rodney Brown
Um, it was, honestly, I was comparing myself a lot. Because I knew how to work a camera, I knew I was a great photographer. But as far as the industry connections, or meeting couples who were in the, as far as the industry connections, and, you know, knowing other vendors who would connect me with other folks, or meeting the type of clients who wanted to shoot the type of work that I did, or who had, you know, you know, style their wedding, and really, you know, awesome ways that I was attracted to all of that stuff that, you know, isn’t there when you’re just beginning, I was frustrated, I was frustrated, because I felt like, I am a great photographer, there’s no big difference between me and the other people who are shooting these weddings other than the fact that they’re shooting them. And so, you know, it was a little frustrating for me at first. Because, you know, I was coming from that situation where I wasn’t surrounded by a bunch of other wedding photographers to learn from. I was kind of learning everything as I go. I also wasn’t getting a bunch of high end weddings off the bat. I was shooting a lot of very simple weddings that weren’t, you know, amazing people, but weren’t the most, you know, photogenic, weddings. The people were photogenic, not the weddings, where, you know, sometimes you’re just very simple. You know, it’s, and when I mean, photogenic, I mean, it’s beautiful in real life, but you know, to get to get work these days, you got to be shooting these bomb weddings with bomb details and done it other than to die. You know, that’s what the gram wants to see. And so, what I had to do is get over all that. No, it doesn’t matter what the type of wedding I’m shooting, it doesn’t matter what the way the couple looks. It doesn’t matter. You know, if they have all these details, it doesn’t matter what their budget was, you know, it’s about capturing the day and being honest with them and all Honestly, it was getting over that and just letting it ride. Those weddings came those those those those weddings that excited me from an artistic point of view, you know, they came, they came on their own. And it was just about putting the time in. And it was kind of like what, like I said those hours putting those hours in. And so it was just kind of just, I was trying to move too fast, you know. And I frustrated myself with the pace that things were going. And you know, now I look back, I’ve moved faster than a lot of folks did. I didn’t realize it, though, you know?

Bernel
Yeah. And that’s, I’m so glad that you highlighted that that comparison trap that I feel like so many people fall into, for a few years, one of my favorite quotes that’s been up on my wall, I actually have it on my phone here. What am I can I read, just read it to you real quick, one of my favorite quotes about comparison that like I stopped and I take a deep breath, it says, Don’t compare your life to others. There’s no comparison between the sun and the moon, they shine when it’s their time. Love and that has just like really been a centering force. And so if you’re listening at home, you know who wrote that, please hit me up because I mean, it just says unknown. And I’ve been I’ve been quoting unknown for a couple of years now. Some of you know who wrote it, definitely hit me up. But I think that just really summarizes what Ronnie just told us that all in due time, like it will come in due time. And you cannot look at someone else’s timetable. And measure yourself by that because it’s it’s not gonna fit. So. Absolutely, absolutely. So we have entered my favorite part of the show where you guys grab a notebook, grab an ink pen, because Rodney is going to give you three actionable steps that you can take today. No matter if you’re at the beginning stages of your business, whether you’re trying something new, whether you’re pivoting, three actionable steps you can take today to move your business forward.

Rodney Brown
Alright, so honestly, the first one I kind of touched on before is practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, whatever you do, whether you do calligraphy, whether you’re a photographer, whether you’re a videographer, whatever, if you make stationery, whatever you do, practice and know what the heck you’re doing. It’s important to be a master at your craft, it’s important to be able to teach if you need to, you want to know the ins and outs of your craft so that you can best serve your clients. And you can serve yourself that way as well. Second, is just meet people who’ve done what you’re doing, and who do it well that you can learn from. There’s nothing more valuable than making good and honest, sincere relationships, especially in the fields like this. But you don’t want it to be transactional. You don’t want to be like, hey, what can I give you? What can you give me, you want to actually make a sincere relationship so that you can, you can actually grow. And when these people earn your trust, and you earn theirs, then you can have a relationship that is it’s deeper than just the medium. It’s different than just business. It’s deeper than just the art. It’s something that can go beyond. And those things end up paying themselves back in the long run. But it’s important to learn from others, especially those who know more than you do. And last thing is just keep pushing forward even despite let downs and setbacks. You might be let down by clients, you might have a sour experience, you might be let down by yourself. You might come back from a wedding and you did not shoot it the way you you wanted to you might have had all these goals in mind. You might have horrible things happen. Like, you know, you might have a camera or some pieces of equipment, break or be stolen, anything like that. But don’t let those things stop you from pushing forward. Just keep pushing forward. And just you know, stay doing your thing.

Bernel
Love it. Oh my goodness. Those are all such good tips. So much value there. Well, Ronnie, I’m so excited to see all the things you have planned this year. If people want to find you. I mean I’m sure if you’re listening to this at home, you’re like I need to know this dope guy. How can they find you?

Rodney Brown
Easiest way is Instagram. It’s our d and y BRWN is basically Rodney brown with no vowels. Yeah. So go to my website, www dot Rodney brown photography.com. Also check out evolve workshops. I will be speaking in August in Idaho. August 2 through the fifth I believe. And I will be running some hands on shooting sessions there too. So yeah, that’s where you could catch me.

Bernel
All right, well, you’ve heard to hear people go find and find Hello and friend Randy Brown no valves that always cracks me up. Um Yes, cinnamon em, let him know what you thought about this episode. If you have questions about gear tools, presets, um, one of the things I wanted to throw out here shameless plug he has a preset called tones for humans that like gives you the milky skin tones ever like we’re out here looking like chocolate.

Rodney Brown
tones for humans presets. Yes. Instagram, at tones for humans presets, so and if you ever have any questions about them, you can always feel free to message me and I’ll try to help you out.

Bernel
All right, guys. Well, I enjoyed it. Rodney, thank you so so much for being on the show today. I really appreciate it.

Rodney Brown
Thank you so much bernel it’s such a pleasure.

Bernel
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